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Keystone XL breaks ground in Texas

The Washington Post -- Early last year, TransCanada started the Keystone pipeline with little fuss or fanfare. It runs from Canada to Steele City, Neb., then east to Wood River and Patoka, Ill. And it got the required permits from the State Department and other agencies.

The company’s next pipeline, the Keystone XL, followed a different route on the ground — and in the political arena, kicking up controversy.

Why didn’t TransCanada use the same route as for the Keystone line?

The first pipeline entered the United States farther to the east and ran down the eastern edge of Nebraska, farther from the state’s ecologically sensitive Sandhills and Ogallala Aquifer.

For Keystone XL, he said, TransCanada looked for a more direct path.

TransCanada spokesman Shawn Howard explains the first Keystone line

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Submitted Sep 25, 2012 By: Martinman

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 9:00:08 PM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse hope it will not be taken by force.
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,666 Points:251,115 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 8:40:43 AM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse It was posted that Holland of Texas Rice Land Partners was offered almost half a million dollars for the easement! He rejected it.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,643 Points:1,611,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 30, 2012 5:40:16 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse agree w/ LEC and Mm.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,609 Points:1,206,580 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:24:28 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Agree with Martins's several comments! Unfortunately it is almost a done deal in TX because of there Railroad Commissions past actions. I can only hope that in OK with the many sovereign Indian land, that this pipeline will become a non-issue! As in NO pipeline!
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,666 Points:251,115 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:23:22 PM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse The Texas Property Code addresses Eminent Domain at great length as well, hardly a rubber stamp. Texas Property Code
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,666 Points:251,115 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:19:59 PM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse Lots of semantics being tossed around here. The article is correct in reference to the Keystone XL reference. From wiki " It consists of the operational "Keystone Pipeline" and "Keystone-Cushing Extension", and two proposed pipeline expansion segments, referred to as Keystone XL Pipeline and the Gulf Coast Project. After the Keystone XL pipeline segments are completed, American crude oil would enter the XL pipelines at Baker, Montana and Cushing, Oklahoma.[1]" And according to the 1975 EPCA act since the XL segment from Hardisty to Baker Wyoming to Steele City Nebraska (separate drone the original Keystone from Hardisty to Steele City) will carry US Bakken crude, thus commingled with Canadian crude, the oil cannot be exported unless the President deems export is in the national interest (very rarely has this ever happened).
Martinman Champion Author Mississippi Posts:14,744 Points:2,094,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:44:32 AM Ignore Martinman Report Abuse Also realize that the above article, as written, is partially incorrect. Those portions of the recently completed pipeline on the U.S. side of the border, are part of the Keystone XL pipeline project. - Phase I involved the construction from the existing natural gas pipeline in Canada, to the Wood River refinery and Patoka storage facility extension - both in Illinois. (completed June 2010) - Phase II involved construction of the Steele City Nebraska to Cushing Oklahoma section - both of which lay east of the Ogallala Aquifer. (completed February 2011) - Phase III involves the current Cushing Oklahoma, to Nederland Texas, segment that is in dispute. - Phase IV invovles the Canada to Steel City Nebraska routing that was stopped before any construction began.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,008 Points:599,685 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:33:25 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
Martinman Champion Author Mississippi Posts:14,744 Points:2,094,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:31:06 AM Ignore Martinman Report Abuse That is how the Texas state Code is written. It is little more than a rubber-stamp process, with no safegaurds, no verifications, no accountability. And despite recent propositions placed on the state ballot, the laws as passed still do not address the underlying problem of the proper use of Eminent Domain. Back to the discussion. TransCanada has been trying to use the "shortest-route" argument as the entire basis for its environmental assessments of the pipeline's impact. It is a faulty-logic argument, in that it treats all "disturbances" the same. That is, that the short-term environmental "disturbance" of construction is of equal to the long-term consequences of a spill. And given TransCanada's poor track record for the already completed sections of the pipeline - 35 reportable spills/leaks in the first year of operation - it does not bode well for a pipeline of even longer length transiting the central U.S. The "shortest-route" argument is the reason why there was such objection by Nebraska landowners. And now that other landowners have seen this, they too chose to fight-back. Do realize, there has already been one landowner that HAS been successful in preventing the Keystone XL pipeline from crossing her property.
Martinman Champion Author Mississippi Posts:14,744 Points:2,094,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:18:45 AM Ignore Martinman Report Abuse Hey... only in the United States of Corporate America! ----- "This land was your land And now its our land We stole from you Your courts ruled we can We trample your forests And foul your waters In this land, we steal your property..."
myambro Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,209 Points:1,054,650 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 9:55:02 AM Ignore myambro Report Abuse Interesting to read this right after reading how they are going to start building on private property before they go through the legal proceedings. I'm just gonna drive this Prius off the lot because I put in the car loan application...
Martinman Champion Author Mississippi Posts:14,744 Points:2,094,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 9:21:59 AM Ignore Martinman Report Abuse You need to read the article. The EPA is not involved in this issue. This is a State Department issue.
mikesr100 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,903 Points:1,082,685 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:30:00 AM Ignore mikesr100 Report Abuse Build the Pipeline inspite of the the Delays from Obummer's EPA
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,666 Points:251,115 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 7:24:52 AM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse Things are shaping up well for the pipeline.
BEGTWO Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,952 Points:726,090 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 6:57:11 AM Ignore BEGTWO Report Abuse Alright Now
berniMI Champion Author Flint Posts:7,688 Points:1,107,055 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 6:36:00 AM Ignore berniMI Report Abuse Thank you Martinman below - - - - - you have spoken for many ! ! ! ! ! ! !
teenitup Champion Author Houston Posts:1,666 Points:251,115 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 6:32:38 AM Ignore teenitup Report Abuse <<" The facts are widely available, neither country will see a drop of the refined tar sands. We will only see another yacht in the water for the brothers.">> Where are these facts available?
Martinman Champion Author Mississippi Posts:14,744 Points:2,094,805 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 6:00:28 AM Ignore Martinman Report Abuse Dodge_Me from atlanta posted... "Wonder how many other peoples land will be stolen " ----- All of them. Unless there is a Supreme Court ruling equivalent to "Kelo v. the City of New London" - in favor of the landowners. In Texas alone, 850+ landowners are affected by the short segment of pipeline passing through eastern Texas - which is not much wider (north-to-south) than the Texas panhandle. The last time I checked, there were roughly 100 landowners per state (NE, KS, OK, TX) opposing TransCanada's Eminent Domain efforts, with smaller numbers opposing from the Dakotas.
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,768 Points:593,695 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 4:13:32 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse Money will win out as it always does.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,863 Points:1,614,950 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:41:25 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “There are already many pipelines that are operating successfully, I don't know why this one would be any different.” Mostly because of what would be in it — a highly corrosive, low net energy product that is mined (not drilled) at great expense and with huge environmental problems that Canada seems disinterested in addressing. We do not need it.
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:2,214 Points:557,730 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:34:29 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Wonder how many other peoples land will be stolen
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,863 Points:1,614,950 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:32:39 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Alberta’s tar-sands oil is one of the dirtiest sources of energy and also has a very low net energy content. Mining it is creating an environmental disaster in the Canadian sub-arctic; it would be good if the Canadians woke up to what these tar-sands projects are doing to their country. And in a perverse effect, the XL pipeline would be likely to cause midwestern gas prices to increase. Building the southern leg may help reduce the oil bottleneck at Cushing but north of Cushing the rest of it will just import junk oil we do not need.
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,702 Points:539,995 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:29:08 PM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse Lets go Romney!
dancygreen Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,068 Points:486,735 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:25:52 PM Ignore dancygreen Report Abuse ok
gaspumpin Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,672 Points:390,120 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:12:31 PM Ignore gaspumpin Report Abuse Get out of the way Obama.
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,478 Points:664,900 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:11:44 PM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Probably will be tied up in court shortly.
_Sparty_ Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,016 Points:692,615 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:07:10 PM Ignore _Sparty_ Report Abuse No wonder Koch brainwashing works so well. I can't believe how elated people are to stuff more money in to the brothers pockets, while they put Canada's and the United States natural resources at risk. How can everyone think this is going to benefit both countries in some way? The facts are widely available, neither country will see a drop of the refined tar sands. We will only see another yacht in the water for the brothers.
Bud122CA Champion Author California Posts:7,476 Points:1,607,800 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:01:06 PM Ignore Bud122CA Report Abuse To bad they have to use the gov't take over policy
drewsworld Sophomore Author Los Angeles Posts:240 Points:19,205 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:00:28 PM Ignore drewsworld Report Abuse cool
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,213 Points:873,485 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 9:00:25 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse There are already many pipelines that are operating successfully, I don't know why this one would be any different.
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,339 Points:519,235 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:57:15 PM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse about time.
OGW Champion Author London Posts:5,329 Points:1,532,975 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:46:14 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse Texas is stillout of touch with the world.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,932 Points:1,576,930 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:45:08 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse build Keystone
kcboy Champion Author Utah Posts:3,978 Points:1,509,750 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:44:34 PM Ignore kcboy Report Abuse ok
ty58 Veteran Author Akron Posts:320 Points:486,030 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:43:08 PM Ignore ty58 Report Abuse lets see where the money re-investment goes
rasprout Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,367 Points:1,222,535 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:42:59 PM Ignore rasprout Report Abuse Interesting
zantor Veteran Author San Bernardino Posts:258 Points:53,025 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:40:22 PM Ignore zantor Report Abuse this may not be eminent domain because the end product will be sold overseas
DriverofRed Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,183 Points:413,835 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:39:44 PM Ignore DriverofRed Report Abuse k
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,792 Points:646,535 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:39:35 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse Eminent domain should not be used.
defiancegasman Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,080 Points:1,323,260 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:39:21 PM Ignore defiancegasman Report Abuse After KEYSTONE STEALS the LAND to run the pipeline, sets up HUGE FUTURE ECOLOGICAL DISASTERS in case of spills, they will use the pipeline to EXPORT THE OIL TO CHINA, not use it in the USA!!
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,212 Points:792,160 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:39:13 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse Lol Chas58!!!!
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,570 Points:606,585 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:35:40 PM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse I am still not a fan of the Keystone XL...
Chas58 All-Star Author Detroit Posts:972 Points:285,775 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:34:18 PM Ignore Chas58 Report Abuse They get the pipe and we get the shaft.
DeeLA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,823 Points:1,366,305 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:34:17 PM Ignore DeeLA Report Abuse I hope they can get it underway before long.
gd83goldwinger Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,428 Points:504,980 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:32:09 PM Ignore gd83goldwinger Report Abuse I'm just waiting for the but. And how it's going to benefit us.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,075 Points:1,733,165 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:30:07 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse I'm tired of people who whine..... how will it raise prices?? why not buy their oil and tell the middle east to stick it?
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,810 Points:820,285 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:29:59 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Hmmmmmmm...
tspaldi Champion Author Provo Posts:6,035 Points:938,415 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:28:00 PM Ignore tspaldi Report Abuse Keystone XL = Higher Price at the pump! All this does is allow Canada to deliver their oil to port where it can be sold on the world market. Right now the oil is land locked and has a lower price. Just watch... This will lead to environmental issues in the USA and higher profits for Canada!
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,822 Points:755,810 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:26:50 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse We’ve had a few arrested were they are staging to lay the pipeline. They’ve been handcuffing themselves to equipment.
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,309 Points:599,570 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 8:25:39 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse i m all for bringing crude here safely, but this is worrisome.